Highly charged case. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! Oh my God. I would have liked better her being put to death! This woman was obsessed and jealous. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. Allen Prue told police he and his wife "wanted somebody they could play with," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren has said. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. DNA also doesnt lie. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. Until next time, cheers. This is all BS.She did it. [emailprotected]. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. Bob Kopta said that his wife had mental health issues and had spoken of going to the warm climate of the island. I noticed quite a few errors myself. Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. 2023 FOX Television Stations, Rockwall-Heath coach resigns after school workout investigation, Things to do this weekend in Dallas-Fort Worth: March 3-5, Dallas 14, 15-year-olds charged with murder, Prosper man who shot neighbor's pit bull will not face charges, Watch: New video from Hubble space telescope captures asteroid-smashing debris from successful DART mission, New street drug 'tranq dope,' rots skin, turns humans into 'zombies', 3 children killed, 2 hurt in Italy, Texas, Biden has cancerous skin lesion removed from chest, doctor says, Severe weather video and photos from around North Texas, Suspected North Texas scented candle thieves allegedly stole $27,774 worth of items. Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. Larry Wrights sentence was reduced to only two years in prison with five years of parole. No explanation given. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. I didnt believe it. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). Just one example. Youll have to make do with what you see here. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. 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But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! Exactly Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. Thank you Kerry. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. By signing up you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, Stand with us in our mission to discover and uncover the story of North Texas, Jury convicts man who harbored fugitive brother accused of killing teen daughters in Irving in 2008, Irving man admits to harboring fugitive father accused of murdering teenage daughters, A day after powerful thunderstorms, North Texas surveys the damage, 3 children killed, 2 wounded at Ellis County home; suspect in custody, How a Texas districts reaction to school shooting fears highlights discipline concerns, Carrollton man advertised pills on social media to entice teens to buy fentanyl, feds say. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. Nobody said bodies were intact. "I couldn't believe it," Blasczyk said of the crime. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Beautifully said Cliff! Your email address will not be published. It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? Someone had shot Joann in the face with a .22-caliber pistol, then beaten her about the head hitting her 19 times in all with a blunt object. "You knew how the Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. Traupman died in 2016. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Omg so well put! A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. Alfey liked to look at model homes, so they decided to stop by an open house that was located at 13810 Redberry St. in Moreno Valley, California. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. They also raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence, including the lack of fingerprints and eyewitness reports the place Said at the crime scene. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. Claps! And she will have to answer eventually. They are a joke. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. Thank you and well said. CHOOSE1 Three Strikes Reform Act needs 365,880 signatures by June 1: Volunteer today! Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. No show. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. How so? He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. We really thought she was dead all those years. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. . Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. Not sure why anyone is defending her. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? "As horrible as Ms. Jenkins death was, it should stand for something," Marsicovetere said. Kidnapped and killed? All rights reserved. Ms. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. Then you claim this is an opinion. Yassein and Islam Said face up to 30 years in federal prison. Yaser Said's ex-wife Patricia Owens gives victim statement after guilty verdict Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. Patricia Prue to undergo 2nd competency exam, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. A Texas man who carried out the mass shooting at the Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3, 2019, killing 23 people and injuring 22 more, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court to a 90-count indictment, including 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. It has very bad energy. Jenkins was reported missing after her vehicle was found idling with her 2-year-old son inside. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. Patricia Tragedy also touched Patricias life. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. According to Arletta Wright, Patricia needs to be driven because she has been legally blind since the age of 16. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Hoist by my own petard! Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. When they were getting ready to drive away, a police car pulled up behind them and checked their car. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. Your email address will not be published. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. This article is little more than fiction. Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. Even after 12 years of frustration and dead-ends, the pursuit for their killer never ceased, Spivey said in a statement. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. She said that she has no idea why her ex-husband killed her daughters. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. I dont think so. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. The case was eventually abandoned. Judge Richard T. Fields will be presiding over the case and Public Defender Ruby Ramirez will be representing Patricia for the Riverside County Public Defenders Office. False. Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed.
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